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Post by ree123 on Jan 27, 2012 0:41:59 GMT -6
We ant ALL forum users to participate in voting, not just "club" members !!! Let's see more votes coming in by all you folks who log on to read, but don't do much posting !!! Please.  |
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Post by ree123 on Jan 29, 2012 10:39:39 GMT -6
FORUM MEMBERS AND CLUB MEMBERS !
2 DAYS LEFT TO CAST YOUR VOTE !!!
EVERY ONE CAN VOTE !
PLEASE EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT.
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Post by bnoel210 on Jan 29, 2012 11:18:07 GMT -6
I voted but i dont like to excercise.
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Post by davidtcb1 on Jan 29, 2012 12:38:50 GMT -6
lol
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Post by jtrotter77 on Jan 29, 2012 17:51:25 GMT -6
lol
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Post by ree123 on Jan 29, 2012 19:13:47 GMT -6
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! I ain't to keen on exercising on purpose either. Sounds to much like work.
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Post by fishguy on Feb 3, 2012 20:14:19 GMT -6
... in order for that picture to be a part of the contest, you should not use any forms available to change, moderate, tweak, alter, or enhance that picture. Your entry should be placed on our forum as your camera took the picture, period. I've been busy with work for a while or I'd have chimed in earlier on this topic. My 2¢. Trying to enforce a rule about not altering photos is not going to be easy. It's really hard to say what's considered manipulated and what's not these days. For example, are you saying we can't enter the contest with pictures taken in raw mode instead of jpeg mode? The only way to get a jpeg from shots taken in raw is to use separate software on a computer to post-process them. And, btw, there is no way to know if someone shoots a photo in raw, tweaks it, deletes the EXIF data and saves it as a jpeg. Also, cameras have plenty of processing capabilities built into them. I don't think Rick is saying we can't use the sharpen, vividness, manual white balance or exposure adjustment settings that are on the camera - but they do the same things as software like photoshop does. Also keep in mind that what you may think is color-enhanced in a photo could be an effect of the white balance used for the shot or the amount or hue of light bounced off the subject. Warming up or cooling down a shot with your camera's white balance can especially effect the yellows, oranges, and blues in your photos. Who's going to judge if white balance made a fish appear more blue or if software did it? The point is, it's really hard to say you what's considered a "processed" photo and what's not if its done well. And then you still have to decide if changes like cropping and rotating are considered "processing". It gets subjective fast. For me, it's simple. If you like an image, vote for it. If you don't, don't. Software can't make a bad composition into a good one, can't make a blurry photo taken with too slow a shutter into a sharp one, and can't make a boring camera angle into an interesting perspective. Software won't let someone who takes a few snaps with his camera on "auto" compete against someone who is willing to sit for an hour and take 100s of photos with different settings until he gets that one really good one. Judge a photo on the qualities that make a photo appealing to you: the subject, composition, exposure, color, sharpness, realism, action, etc. Everybody has a different opinion of what makes a good photo. If you are a person who thinks anything done to a photo after it is shot is cheating or unfair, take off points when you judge a photo where that was obviously done. If you think digital photo software is an extension of the camera that makes photos better if used well, then cast your vote accordingly. |
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Post by fishguy on Feb 3, 2012 20:15:53 GMT -6
And one more thought/suggestion. I don't think posting should be allowed in the POM thread while the contest is running. It lets people influence others during the voting. I think each person should see only the photos in the thread with no commentary until after the voting closes.
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Post by fishguy on Feb 3, 2012 20:25:34 GMT -6
One other thought. It really is a big disadvantage for people with fixed-lens cameras to compete against DSLRs. Outdoors in bright light, not so much. When you hear people talking about cheap cameras can take great photos, too, that doesn't hold up so well when light gets low and the subjects are moving. DSLRs have huge benefits - brighter lenses and better sensors and better high ISO performance.
Maybe we could do a DSLR and a point-and-shoot winner each month? Other forums do this. We can enforce it if we only permit photos with EXIF data into the contest.
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Post by jon carman on Feb 3, 2012 20:46:53 GMT -6
We are only getting 6 entries as is. Rules will be more a guideline for voters. I dont think anyone wants to go on a photoshop witchhunt. I personally dont care either way, but after multiple complaints every month, we decided it would be good to come up with a few guidelines.
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Post by jon carman on Feb 3, 2012 21:10:41 GMT -6
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Post by fishguy on Feb 3, 2012 21:22:25 GMT -6
I get it. But it's not going to be easy to enforce them. Who sets the guidelines? I'd like to suggest someone is included who is seriously into photography. I vote for holmes114. musiccitycichlids.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=holmes114At a minimum we should permit cropping - since it's a good practice to shoot photos a little wide to get everything safely in, then crop to get a nice composition. And it doesn't change pixels - justs gets rid of unwanted ones. And if you can crop, rotating is OK, too since you can't detect it in a cropped photo. Anything else is going to mess with pixels, which I think is the line that Rick is trying to draw. |
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Post by jon carman on Feb 3, 2012 22:07:40 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is going to enforce anything. We are just going to set simple guidelines that anyone can understand. Just take the pic, crop if you have to and turn it in. If someone decides to use software in doing so, cool. Just don't enhance color, contrast, brightness, etc. If someone wants to be sneaky and barely alter it, we are on honor system. That is about the extent of what we are working on. Voters in poll in the end are the enforcers.
If there are any other guidelines we should think about, then PM us. Rick will sticky the guidelines when we finish them.
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Post by bnoel210 on Feb 3, 2012 22:25:27 GMT -6
I for one am very competitive.............but this is just suppose to be a FUN and FRIENDLY contest. Share some pics ask some photo questions and admire some great fish. I forgot about this myself and got upset and had to remind myself. Lets not focus on so many guidelines and rules cause that will take the fun out of this. Like Jon said the voters arw the enforcers. If you think a photo has been altered or something you dont agree with just vote for the pic YOU think is the best. Too easy point made now lets have some fun
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Post by fishguy on Feb 3, 2012 22:44:45 GMT -6
I for one am very competitive.............but this is just suppose to be a FUN and FRIENDLY contest. Share some pics ask some photo questions and admire some great fish. I forgot about this myself and got upset and had to remind myself. Lets not focus on so many guidelines and rules cause that will take the fun out of this. Like Jon said the voters arw the enforcers. If you think a photo has been altered or something you dont agree with just vote for the pic YOU think is the best. Too easy point made now lets have some fun Well said. |
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