just wondering

[calvo15290]

is it possable to do a jewel cichlid and convict cross breed

[bnoel210]

Anything is possible but why would you want to?

[calvo15290]

i dont know i guess i wold i need to know and see what they wold look like tho given i thank it wold look cool

[bnoel210]

Just my opinion but if you do that dont try to make a profit off of them or dont let them leave your tanks. Hybrids are slowly taking over the hobby and leave a bad taste in people mouths. I have a feeling there will be some deleted posts as this agrument gets going on hybrids.

[jtrotter77]

Hybrids are a touchy subject for some however Hybrids are highly sought after. Lots of the most sought after peacock cichlids are Hybrids. (firefish,dragonsbloods,strawberries, the list goes on and on. Ever see a beautiful OB peacocks? Well they are hybrids of hybrids of hybrids. Now the problem with hybrids in the fishtrade is mostly when dealing with africans. Since they can take a while to color up people will sometimes sell a hybrid as a pure blood thus even if it looks alot like what they were selling it as then the buyer breeds it and sells them as same thing. Well you see where this is going. It really messes up the blood lines and can make it harder and harder to know what your really getting.

I have been into africans for years and I remember when hybrids were trash fish but that changed along with pure bred dogs. Now there are designer breds, (also known as mutts) they used to be givin away now they sale for tons of dollars. ITs called selective line breeding. If you are working on creating a certain look of a fish , Certain traits from various fish then I see nothing wrong with it. Anyone who has seen my very own strain of albino dragon blood thinks its a beautiful fish. Now its a hybrid in every way. I knew what I was wanting and mixed fish that fit the bill. Lots of fish were culled and used as treats to other fish ect but now I have a strain I am proud of. I did the same thing back when I bred flowerhorns years ago. But when I sell them people know they are getting a hybrid.

Different strokes for different folks.
Thing is now if I want a natural Peacock (like my ngara's) then I choose to go wild caught whenever possible. (atleast F1 from a trusted source) That way i know what I am getting is not a Ngara,lemon jake or eureka mix ect... There are flametails at Aquatic now that are either not fully flametails or so inbred you can barely tell. The red in their bodies is almost non existent and more of a dark orange and colors are blended uneven.

In closing Hybrids are fine if You are fine with them. And they do have a place in the hobby. If you dont like them dont buy them. Buy from reputable sources and get pure breds. I love them both.

[glenoweth]

+1 ^^^^^^^

[jgentry]

Feb 12, 2012 14:13:35 GMT -6 calvo15290 said:

is it possable to do a jewel cichlid and convict cross breed

Very unlikely. Jewel cichlids are from west african rivers. Convicts are known to cross easily with several central american cichlids but I doubt the genetics with a jewel would ever produce fry. Stranger things have happened though.

[jon carman]

I don't think it is that touchy here. I just hate the deformed ones. I don't personally like creating them, but once they are created they are created. Ethics in the hobby are personal in my opinion.

Some like their tanks to be brothels, and their only goal is to get as many fry as fast as possible no matter the results to the females. Some then have puppy mill conditions in tanks that are way overcrowded, with not enough maintenance. Some will sell a fish they know won't go with another just to make a sale. Some create fish such as parrot fish, or mollies with the fat bellies that can't swim. Some tattoo the side of fish. Some use hormones or souped up food to make fish color way to early, and make females have color. I have a problem with some of that, but it is my opinion and that is about it.

I like fish a lot, but cold blooded animal abuse doesn't get me as riled up as if I knew somebody was abusing a dog. I like the dragonbloods, ob's and so on, but I have mixed feelings about the methods of how they came to be.

On a brighter note, I have tropheus canary cheek, bemba flame, and simochromis all holding right now looking at me with fat mouths.

Muzi rainbow tropheus are doing a dance as well

[paddysdaddy]

My disdain for hybrids stems from dishonesty and mis-information. I fell for the OB peacock hybrids years ago, I'd been selectively breeding the OB Fulleborni for 10 years then a long term friend in the business promised me this was a wild morph of Aulonocara. Quite plausible given the 5+ subspecies of non-OB Fullebornis, I thought and spent a couple hundred dollars.
I've seen many others that were rep-ed as natural morphs, so the problem is that humans, (intentionally, unintentionally, for profit, out of stupidity or meanness, whatever) misrepresent them.
When there are species vanishing every years from the wild and we accurately project a 34% loss in fish species over the next 10 years globally, I'll stick to wild types and look for the day when more of what a few of us keep in tanks are completely gone from the wild.
Everyone chooses their own path. Just don't represent your hybrids as genuine, named-species fish. If you spread them around, know that before long someone will lie for an extra dollar or two.