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Post by bnoel210 on May 7, 2012 5:31:10 GMT -6
While I was getting ready for work this morning I was thinking about this. Since peacock females almost look identicle from one type to the other how do we know we are getting the female peacock its labled as. Even if its a wild caught wouldnt there still be a chance its not what we think it is? Im not sure how peacocks group up and live in the wild, but im assuming there will be several types of peacocks in the same area of the lake and would imagine some of the females are all over the place. We all know hybrids happen in the wild only because we wouldnt have so many species of cichlids to date if it didnt happen. So how can these fishermen properly lable the fish the are getting. Im not just talking peacocks here, but all cichlids. Especially peacocks since all the females look very similar and mbuna cause there are several females with them also that are drab and look alike. Just a food for thought question to start our Monday morning. Please school me on this. This is what I love about this hobby. I dont consider myself a newbie, but no were near an expert, but even if you are an expert there is always something to learn with this great hobby.
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Post by mruble on May 7, 2012 7:06:05 GMT -6
It is my understanding that fish do not cross breed in the wild - just in captivity. The reason that there is so many different types is due to the fact that they do not cross breed, and also some possible geographic barriers (water depth). Each individual color morph is an example of localized evolution.
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Post by bnoel210 on May 7, 2012 7:39:30 GMT -6
Learned something new. The only reason why I mentioned cross breeding in the wild is because of some of the stuff I have read in the past has mentioned it. I guess my main question is in the wild do peacock, used as an example, aul lwanda will the stay in a big group by themselfs or will there be more then one type of peacock in a certain area? If there is more then one in that area how do the people catching them to sell know exactly whay female they caught since most of them look alike?
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Post by mruble on May 7, 2012 10:01:24 GMT -6
Brian, this would be a good question for the guy that is scheduled to talk about BAP and C.A.R.E.S. He is an ACA BOT and has probably spent more than his fair share of time on issues of cross breeding. I believe that the different variants of peacocks do stay in their own groups. As far as two distinctively different types inhabiting the same area - I do not know. Your question of getting the right female depends on the honesty of the collectors, importers, and retailers. An incorrectly labeled female would become obvious after breeding - when none of the males look like the father. Unfortunately, you as the hobbyist would be out money and time. I do know that these issues are currently a driving force in the frontosa world. It appears that some collectors/dive companies are selling WC Frontosa as whatever the current high price in the market is in demand, instead of by collection location. The bad part of this scenario is good importers and retailers are being juked by not so honest collectors. I also believe that the vast majority of fish being sold as a specific variant are actually the specified variant.
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Post by rickl on May 7, 2012 14:03:02 GMT -6
Sadly we are often at the mercy of the importer and/or distributor (and/or LFS) when it comes to making sure our fish really are what we think they are! I'd like to think that most folk in the business are honest... I may be wrong, but I'd still like to think that  It is my understanding that some (many?) of the "wild-caught" specimens that are imported are raised in pens and/or large tanks along the lakeshore, in a fashion that I would describe more as "farmed" than "wild-caught", but still -- closer to the lake than 18 generations down the line of tank-bred! -Rick (the armchair aquarist) |
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Post by jon carman on May 7, 2012 20:01:22 GMT -6
They vary rarely cross breed in wild. Most fish collected from wild such as peacocks have their own local point they are collected at. From there they are hopefully kept separate from other similar species until they make it to end user. It is totally possible for mix ups along the way, and you just have to have faith that the supplier you use will make it right if a mistake is made.
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Post by fuzzylogic on May 7, 2012 20:33:10 GMT -6
I want an all Hybrid tank. You know for science!!!
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