Discussion needed/Participation required !!!

[ree123]

**THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE ACA WEB SITE FORUM TODAY.**

THIS WOULD REQUIRE OUR MEMBERS TO BE MUCH, MUCH MORE ACTIVE THAN ALL OF YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS A FANTASTIC GOAL AND A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR US, IMHO.

AGAIN,...........THIS WOULD REQUIRE MUCH MORE PARTICIPATION THAT EACH OF YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

THIS CLUB / ANY CLUB, MUST HAVE ALL IT'S MEMBERS TAKING AN ACTIVE PART IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR SUCCESS TO OCCUR !!!

AS AN ENTIRE GROUP THIS IS COMPLETELY FEASIBLE TO ACHIEVE, SO LETS HEAR DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD. NOT FROM JUST 3 OR 4 OR 5 OF YOU, BUT FROM EVERY FORUM USER AND CLUB MEMBER THAT LOGS ON HERE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS OR WEEKS !!!!!!!!!

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT OUR CLUB NEEDS, IMHO, AND IT WILL REQUIRE EVERY ONE OF YOU BEING COMMITTED TO PARTICIPATION BEYOND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO THIS POINT IN OUR ORGANIZATION.

I WILL NOT COMMIT US TO THIS UNLESS I SEE AN OVERWHELMING DESIRE OF Y'ALL, SO SPEAK UP !!!

THIS IS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY ! IMHO WE SHOULD SEIZE THE MOMENT, UNLESS Y'ALL WANT THINGS TO STAY STATUS QUO.

Y'ALL TELL ME. I REPRESENT YOU.[/b]

Rick, aka ree123
MCAA President
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Looking for a Host Club

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Looking for a Host Club

I am actively looking for a club that is interested in hosting the 2014 ACA annual convention. It is not too early to get started and resources are available within the ACA to help get you started. Also on the ACA webpage is an outline I put together a few years ago the describes the actions and responsibilities for the host club. Here is a link to the guidelines:

www.cichlid.org/index.php?pag...ion_guidelines

If you have an interest or would like to discuss this with me, please feel free to drop me an email at [e-mail]. I have chaired three conventions (yes I am still being called nuts) and can offer guidance based on my personal experiences hosting a convention as well as my involvement at the convention liaison for the last several years.

Please we do need a local club to step up and get us rolling for 2014 as it will be a major disappointment if we to have to skip a year. I and a bunch of other ACA’ers look forward to this meeting every year.

Thanks and I look forward to responding to your emails. (and not everyone at once please J)

Phil



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Phil Benes

Convention Liaison

[ree123]

HERE BELOW IS THE GUIDELINES FOR ALL OF YOU TO BREEZE THROUGH AND HELP YOU DECIDE IF YOU WOULD BE COMMITTED ENOUGH TO OUR CLUB TO HOST SUCH AN EVENT.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE EVERY ONE OF YOU BEING AN ACTIVE PART IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER W/I OUR CLUB TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESS.

I IMPLORE YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS AS I DO BELIEVE THIS IS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR ORGANIZATION, BUT AGAIN IT REQUIRES ALL OF YOU PARTICIPATING MUCH MORE THAN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW !!!

RICK, AKA, REE123
MCAA PRESIDENT

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ACA Convention Guidelines

American Cichlid Association Convention Guidelines



Introduction

Thank you for your interest in hosting an American Cichlid Association (ACA) convention. These guidelines have been written to help you and your club, prepare, write and submit a competitive convention proposal for the ACA Board of Trustees (BOT). They are somewhat flexible and almost all items can be negotiated for almost any situation. They have been designed to insure that hosting an ACA convention will bring many benefits to both the ACA and your club.

Club Benefits

Hosting a convention is a lot of work but the rewards you and your club can receive are very enticing. Clubs historically have earned up to $6,000 for hosting a convention. All attendees must be, either a member of your club or a member of the ACA to attend, so there is a very good potential to increase your local club membership. Tanks, filters and supplies remaining after the convention can be sold to club members at cost so they can get a good deal and expand their hobby for a reasonable investment. Some fish that will be offered at the auction cannot be obtained anywhere else. Club members on the other hand, with fish to sell, will probably have them up at the largest auction in the country. There is also the pride a club gets by hosting a convention and sharing their part of the country with the rest of the ACA membership.

Your Club

Although the ACA is a cichlid organization, this does not mean that your club needs to be a cichlid only club. Many clubs that have historically ran conventions have been general aquarium societies and have done a very good job. Usually there are two or more clubs bidding for the convention each year, so part of your proposal will be in selling your club to the BOT. Many bodies are required and club size can be a factor. An average club of 50 members should be able to run a convention. It has been done by smaller more active clubs, but beware, that some workers may become overwhelmed by all the activities. Your club should be financially sound and a financial report should accompany your proposal. Your clubs actual assets will be of some importance but the BOT will be looking for a club that keeps good records and is well organized. Activities play an important role in the BOT's decisions. Club histories in running weekend workshops, shows, and hosting other conventions will be taken into consideration. The ACA convention should not be the time or the place to try something for the first time. You will need to plan well in advance. ACA Conventions are usually awarded as far as two years ahead of the scheduled date. Much of the publicity and much of the registration is handled over the internet. It is important to have personnel and software that is capable of handling these tasks.

Getting Started

Most clubs have a speaker, bowl show, raffle and auction at their regular meetings. The people that run these functions at the regular meeting could also expand their roles and handle these same positions for the convention. It is recommended that your club start by writing an article for your club publication, announcing that your club is considering hosting and ACA Convention. This should be followed up with a presentation at a general meeting to determine if there is any interest from the membership. Interested parties can then start by appointing a convention chair to start putting all of the people and things together. The chair should then appoint a committee from the volunteers to assist the chair in determining the feasibility of your club hosting a convention. If your club is ready then the first thing you need to do is find a suitable place to hold the convention. Once a place is found then a date needs to be determined based on the hotel’s availability. Typically, conventions have been held during the summer but bids will not be restricted to only those months. Conventions usually run from Thursday or Friday to Sunday. Once a place has been established then you need to get some speakers for presentations, some tanks for the show and some help to run the big auction. Of coarse it is much more complicated then this but this will get you started and thinking about what kind of convention you want to have. It would be very helpful if the members of you club actually attend a convention to observe how they are typically run.

The Hotel

Put yourself in the position of someone coming to your area for the first time from out of town. Depending on your area, some will drive but most attendees will probably fly. Start your search for hotels near your closes major airport. They should have free shuttle service to and from the airport or at least have a reasonable shuttle service for those hotels a little further out. Parking should be free for those wishing to drive. The hotel itself should be able to seat at least 400 comfortably in a theater style auditorium. It should have a facility to handle at least 300 people for the awards banquet. Other rooms for the fish show, trade show and specialty clubs will be necessary. The hotel should be able to handle at least 150 room nights on Wednesday, 225 room nights on Thursday and then 250 room nights for both Friday and Saturday. Prices should be based on a per room basis with up to four persons in a room. You should get at least one free room night for every forty room nights booked. These free room nights can be used to house speakers and reduce their overall costs. When negotiating for the banquet, be sure to vary the menu and give the attendees a choice. Recently buffets have become popular at the conventions and are worth looking into. All facility rooms needed should be available at no additional charge. Some guests may wish to stay until Monday so they will not miss the auction. Make sure that the negotiated rate will be good until then and you get credit for Sundays rooms towards your compensated rooms. It is helpful to talk to the manager of the hotel and warn/advise them of what kind of things to expect at the convention such as tanks in the rooms and fish bags etc…Room rates should be competitive. Work hotels against each other to get the best deal. Remember that you may be competing with other clubs in other parts of the country and rates do vary greatly based on areas. There may a situation where the hotel cannot handle any more attendees so they need to have an arrangement with a local hotel for the overflow attendees. Once you have selected a hotel and have a confirmed room rate, an additional charge may be added by the clubs. Discuss this with the ACA Convention Coordinator. They will be listed on the inside front cover of any ACA publication.

Local Tours

Many of the attendees will be from out of the area and will wish to see some of your local sites. They may or may not be fish related. Local public aquariums, wholesalers or unique and impressive aquarium shops may be of interest. If your area has any significant tourist hot spots, it may pay to set up a tour to one of these. The money raised by the trip portions of the convention will belong to the host club and does not have to be shared with the ACA unless the host club wishes to share it as an incentive for the ACA to award the convention to your club.

Cichlid Show

A cichlid show is required by the ACA bylaws. The number of tanks required is dependent on the number of entries. Typically a minimum of about 200 aquariums of which most are ten gallons in size would probably be enough. The entries could be cut off if the number of entries outnumbers the available tanks. Tanks should be available before the first day of the convention. Each tank will have an appropriate filter. The aquariums should be placed on stable foundations. Entry fees should reasonable. Try and get sponsors to help pay for the trophies. Judging criteria is based on the club hosting the convention. Class for the show will be as follows:

Division A – New World Species


Class 1 - Symphysodon (discus)

Class 2 - Pterophyllum (angelfish)

Class 3 - Apistogramma, Apistogrammiodes, Biotecus, Dicrossus, Crenicara, Nannacara, Microgeophagus and Taeniacara

Class 4 - Laetacara, Aequidens and related genera

Class 5 - Geophagus, Gymnogeophagus, Satanoperca and related genera

Class 6 - Central American Cichlids less than six inches in total length

Class 7 - Central American Cichlids more than six inches in total length

Class 8 - Astronotus, Cichla, Crenicichla, Petenia, and Division A species not listed above




Best of Division A



Division B – Old World – African Rift Lake Species


Class 9 - Mbuna - Pseudotropheus. Melanochromis and Metriaclima

Class 10 - Mbuna - Cynotilapia, Labidochromis, Labeotropheus and all other Mbuna species

Class 11 – Lake Malawi peacocks (Aulonocara)

Class 12 – Lake Malawian haplochromines and all other Lake Malawi species

Class 13 – Lake Tanganyikan Shell dwellers

Class 14 – Julidochromis,”Lamprologus”, Chalinochromis, and Telmatochromis

Class 15 – Tropheus,Petrochromis, and Tanganyikan goby cichlids

Class 16 – Lake Tanganyikan Featherfins (Cyathopharynx, Ophthalmotilapia, Cunningtonia and Aulonocranus)

Class 17 – Callochromis, Cyprichromis, Ctenochromis and Xenotilapia

Class 18 – Cyphotilapia and all other Tanganyikan species not listed above




Best of Division B



Division C – Old World – Non Rift Lake Species


Class 19 – Chromotilapia, Limbochromis, Nanochromis, Parananochromis, and Pelvicachromis

Class 20 – Lake Victoria and Lake Kivu species

Class 21 – Etroplus, Paretroplus, Paratilapia and all other Madagascar species

Class 22 – Hemichromis,Lamprologus, Saratherodon, Steatocranus, Teleogramma, Tilapia and Division C fish not listed above




Best of Division C



Best of Show



Photography and Art Classes


Class1 – Color Print

Class2 – Color Slide

Class3 – Frame able Art

Class4 – Cichlids on T-shirts

Class5 – Other Art Forms


Trophies

Trophies should be awarded to 1st, 2nd and 3rd in each class. Hand carved fish trophies for first in each fish class are not necessary but are recommended if the budget allows for it. Additional awards are to be given for best of each division and best in show for the fish classes.

Speakers

Try and get speakers that are both entertaining and informative. Topics should be cichlid related but a few talks on general aquarium topics can be used. Speaker’s compensation is negotiable. Work out the details prior to getting a firm commitment. Contact the study groups and arrange a time for them to meet in one of the rooms. They must all be registered at the convention. They may wish to have a speaker too at their meeting. These meetings will be considered part of the convention and open to all registrants. Utilize some local talent for a few of the talks. In order to try and reduce costs, try and get speakers sponsored by vendors and manufacturers.

Auction

The auction is a major fund raiser at the convention. It should begin mid-morning on the last day of the convention. Registered attendees may both buy and sell fish. Non registered attendees may purchase fish only and may not sell anything at the auction. The auction chair should approve all items. Fish offered for sale at the auction should be cichlids, although the chair may modify this. Splits and bag charges should be published well in advance of the auction. Auction profits shale is split between the two clubs.

Trade Show

A room should be dedicated to allow vendors and manufacturers to display their wares. They should be provided a reasonable space and be charged accordingly. Each 10x10 area should be provided with a table and two chairs. Show hours should compliment the speakers schedules as well as when tours are returning. Profit from the trade show shale is split between the two clubs.

Raffle

Tickets may be sold for dry good items donated to the convention by both vendors and local stores. The profit from the raffle will be split evenly between the two clubs.

Sales

T-shirts offered for sale at the convention that are convention related will be sold at a profit and that profit will be split between the clubs. Sales of host club t-shirts and host club paraphernalia do not have to be shared. Filters and rental /show tanks will be sold to attendees after the convention and any profit will be split.

Program Booklet

A booklet should be provided to inform registrants of the schedule of events. Selling ad space in the booklet will offset costs. Both clubs will share any profit.

Conclusion

Hopefully these guidelines will give you somewhere to start your convention bid package. ACA Convention Liaisons are always available to help. They may be contacted by referring to their addresses found inside every BB. Convention bids are usually taken up to 2 years prior to their commencement. Have your members attend a convention to see what it is all about. A separate bank account should be set up separate from the host’s club regular account. Start up money, up to $500 may be loaned to the host club from the ACA if it is requested. Enclosed is a convention proposed timeline and convention job descriptions that will help you meet deadlines and delegate job duties and responsibilities.

TIMELINE FOR AN ACA CONVENTION
Months Before Convention Starts

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Start by writing an article for your club’s publication. Discuss why your club should do it and how it can be done. Be sure to ask interested persons to attend the next general meeting so you can see if there is any interest and if other members share your desire.

30
At the general meeting you can discuss the possibility of hosting a convention. Find out who is interested. Share these guidelines and ask for volunteers to form a committee.

27
By now you have you committees established and they can start to do some research to see if it is possible that your club can host an ACA Convention.

25
Decision time. You need to determine if your club is capable of handling a convention. By now you have talked to you members and other local clubs to see what you and they can do. If the decision is to proceed, then you need to immediately seek a hotel that will work.

22
By now you should have a pretty good idea of what hotels will work and what they will cost. Pick a hotel and start to put together your convention bid.

21
Submit your bid package to the ACA Convention Liaison. They will review it and comment on it. Make any needed changes and resubmit it to the Convention Liaison. The Convention Liaison will review all the submitted convention bids and send them to the ACA BOT with their recommendations. The BOT may have additional questions or clarifications.

19
By now the ACA BOT will have made a decision and the convention will be awarded. If you were awarded the convention then congratulations are in order. If you did not win the bid then don’t be discouraged. The BOT is well aware of all the hard work that goes in to placing a bid and you should try again the following year. The winning club should start to confirm the hotel, side trips etc… Get firm price quotes and start to prepare the flyer for the convention.

17
Get the information on the flyers and get printing quotes. Have the flyer s ready by the current ACA Convention. Prepare the presentation for the awards banquet. Contact the current convention club members to get an idea on how many need to be printed.

13
Send the flyers to the club so they can be inserted in the handout packet at the convention. Give the current convention club an estimate on how much time will be needed at the banquet for you presentation.

12 ACA Convention
At the current convention it would be helpful if your members could pay attention to the proceedings and discuss if any improvements could be made. Talk to the vendors and manufacturers and start to make contacts to confirm trade show spaces, donations and sponsorships for speakers and show classes. The presentation at the awards banquet should be both entertaining and informative. It should take no longer than 5 minutes.

10
Contact the club that just held the convention and pick there brain for suggestions. They should also be able to provide information like numbers of attendees, show entries, etc…

6
Get the website up and going. It should be complete with all the info like: Registration form; programs; hotel; side trips and contacts. Send a one page add to the Managing Editor of BB for the convention and referring people to the web site. Prepare registration form. Letters should go out to manufacturers and local stores announcing the convention and requesting support in the form of donations, sponsorships, and trade show spaces.

5
Mail out registration forms to ACA members and your local club members. Make up posters and start to hang them in local fish store and pet shops. Ask owners and managers for raffle donations. Get bids for T-shirts for both attendees and for the staff. Should be getting some money in for sponsorship and registrations.

1
Send out a press release to the local papers to try and stir up some free publicity. Cut off date for show entries and early registration.

Convention Week

Mon/Tues


- Try and get into the show /rental tank room(s) no later than Tuesday morning and start to get things set up.




Wednesday


- Show Set Until Complete

- Registration table opens at 6:00 P.M.

- Guy Jordon fish picked up and put away.

- Show/rental room(s) open by 6:00 P.M.

- Guy Jordon Bulletin Board available by 6:00 P.M.

- Trade Show Room Set Up




Thursday


A.M.


- Registration table opens one hour prior to the departure of the first tour.

- Side Trips

- Trade show room opens


P.M.


- Speakers

- Jordon Auction

- BOT Meeting


Late


- Hospitality Suite

- Study groups





Friday


A.M.


- Registration table opens one hour prior to the departure of the first tour.

- Side trip

- Trade Show Room opens


P.M.


- Speakers

- Jordon Auction

- Judging


Late


- Hospitality Suite

- Study groups





Saturday


A.M.


- Registration table opens one hour prior to first speaker

- Speakers

- Trade show room opens


P.M.


- Trade Show room closes

- Jordon auction

- Cash bar

- Awards Banquet


Late


- Hospitality Suite





Sunday A.M.


- Auction registration/auction

- Fish room tear down

- Tank and filter sale


ACA Convention Job Descriptions

ACA Convention Liaison
This is a person with the ACA that will assist the club with preparing a convention bid or the convention itself. If there are any questions with the bid or the convention then they should be contacted. They can be located inside the front cover of any Buntarsche Bulletin.

ACA Convention Club Convention Chair
This person is a local club member that is in charge of the convention. This person follows up on convention committees and is the primary contact between the hotel and the convention.

Publicity Chair
This person is responsible for getting the information about the convention out on a local and national level. This includes designing, printing and mailing of required publications. Posters and flyers should be made up and distributed at fish stores, pet shops and given to other local clubs. Ad space may be available in national slick magazines. Check with them for availability. They should work through the local newspapers and television to assure as much information gets to the public as possible. They may be called upon to work with the media if necessary.

ACA Convention Treasurer
This is a local club person that sets up the separate bank account for the convention. They are in charge of collecting all the receivables and paying all the bills associated with the convention. Receipts need to be kept and filed.

Speaker Chair
This person is the primary contact between the speakers and the convention. They contact the speakers and get an itinerary. They make sure that the speakers are picked up at the airport, checked into their room, get their registration packet, know when to speak and get them dropped off back at the airport.

Trade Show Room Chair
This person contacts manufacturers and negotiates space in the trade show. The chair will assign spaces and make sure that the vendors have what they need, like electric, water, etc… The day before the convention actually starts this person should be around the room assisting the vendors as needed. While negotiating with the vendors they can be solicited for donations to the raffle or for sponsorship of show classes and speakers.

Cichlid Show Chair
Lots of work to be done here. As soon as the room is available, the crew needs to start to set up the show. The chair should have the room already planned and laid out. Materials should have already been purchased, and prepared as needed. Stands need to set up. Tanks placed, filled with filters inserted. Airline system needs to be hooked up and running. Tanks need to be labeled so the entries are together. The more people available the easier and faster it will go. Everything needs to be done by 6:00 P.M. the day before the convention actually starts. During the convention the room should secured so if problems arise they can be quickly dealt with. On Sunday morning the room needs to be torn down. This is probably the most stressful time of the convention. Club members are tired. They are getting their fish out of the show. They need to check in fish for the auction. They need runners at the auction, and the room needs to be torn down. Filters and tanks that have been sold can go to a staging area. Unsold items need to be moved out of the room and stored until sold or disposed of.

Rental Tank Room
The set up and tear down are the same as for the show room. Tanks need to be labeled for those who reserved a tank. Money may need to be collected for tank rented the same day. Guy Jordon auction fish will be placed in the room until they are auctioned off.

Registration Chair
This person will receive and maintain pre-registrations. Only members of the host club or the ACA may attend the convention. One week before the convention, all registration packets will be assembled and ready to go by the time of the convention. This should include a program, badges, tickets, samples and literature. They can be placed in large envelopes or bags. At the registration table the chair will be responsible for giving attendees their registration packets during check–in. during peak times there shall be at least two persons at the table. The registration table shall be open fro 6:00 P.M. the day before the convention officially starts, until noon on Saturday. Extra items like T-shirts and such may be available for sale at the registration table.

Guy Jordon Silent Auction
Florida fish farmers will be sending fish to the airport for this auction. They may show up at any time. These fish need to be picked up at the airport and the freight paid for. They then need to be brought back to the hotel and tanked. The fish will be placed on a silent auction as scheduled by the club.

Awards Chair
Awards for the show need to be designed, ordered, delivered, unpacked and ready by the banquet.

Tour Guides
At least one person is needed to accompany each trip every day. They should check for tickets, take roll and to handle any problems that arise.

Hospitality Suite
One or two people are needed to stay up to the wee hours to maintain the hospitality suite with snacks and refreshments. A smoking area will probably be needed. Attendees that overindulge may be asked to leave. Noise may become an issue too. Try to let everybody have a good time without hurting anyone or breaking anything. Try and get the food and drink sponsored to cut costs.

Club Sales Table
Items like T-shirts, publications and memberships to the host club can be sold at the Club Sales Table. A person will need to be there to handle sales and secure items. The hours are up to the host club.

Raffle Chair
This person needs to assemble the raffle items and sell the tickets during the convention.

Auction Chair
Another very important committee. The room needs to be ready first thing Sunday morning. Fish need to be checked in. Auctioneers need to be set up with runners. It will run just like the club auction only much bigger. Some auctions have gone on late into the evening. Have plenty of staff on hand to give runners breaks.

[ree123]

Discussion from ALL OF YOU is what my goal is here. ALL OF YOU ! No matter your previous involvement, or club vs. forum status/title here.

Thanks so much !

Rick

[ree123]

My letter to Phil Benes, ACA Convention Liason, via e-mail re: this event is below.

This is up to all of you !!!

I will follow thru as you all direct. I represent you !

Now discussion is in order from every single one of you. ;D

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Greetings Phil.

I am Rick Easterly, President of the Music City Aquarium Association,
in and near Nashville, TN.
We are a rather new club of 4+ yrs with 277 forum users to date and an
active swap/meet base of 50 +/- @ each of our events.
We have several local sponsors and a paid club member base of about 50 +/-.
We have just begun our BAP program this Fall.

I have took it upon myself to transfer your letter and ACA policies
re: hosting the 2014 Annual ACA Convention onto our local
website/forum and ask our members to share their thoughts,
suggestions, concerns, likes, dislikes, and desires of volunteering to
host your 2014 event.

Since I am a representative of theirs, I will await their input to see
what response of involvment they as a group are interested in
committing to such an endeavor, and will corraspond with you again
soon re: their responses and our desires as a club to offer our
committment to such an event.

I look forward to conversing with your further on this subject and others.

Respectively,
Rick Easterly
MCAA President
aka ree123
www.mcaafish.com
[e-mail]


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"FISHES RULE"

[davidtcb1]

Whew, pretty tall order. IMO, I don't think we are a strong enough body to pull it off at this point. Would be great goal to work toward. But this is something you have to get right the first time. Again, my two cents and gut feeling...

[AlanM]

I agree with David's assessment. If we try to do it and fall short, it will be a bad experience for everyone involved and might well kill the club. I've seen it happen in the old car hobby when I local club tries to put on a convention. There is WAY more work and commitment involved than you can even imagine.

[jon carman]

Let's shoot for 2020. We meet few of the requirements, and even if we met them, I still wouldn't think we are ready.

[kyangelsncorys]

I would love to see us host it but i agree with what everyone has said so far. I don`t think we are ready for that yet. How many of us have been to one before and seen what goes on ?

[davidtcb1]

I have never been to one, and still can't imagine the logistics and details involved.

[tpindell]

Just skimmed it but.. 200 tanks, full convention center setting, with only the potential to get a return on investment sounds like it should have a governing body running it. Sure would be neat to see one though.

[jon carman]

I have been to a few, mark and Scott went this year I think. When we get our swaps down to a science we can think about it, but we are five to twenty years away. I think Rick is shooting for something grand in hopes of getting more local participation. I think that is what we should be debating. There is a reason other clubs aren't stepping up.

[davidtcb1]

Definitely too much to bite off right now. If we had 300 club members and a solid 100 or more at every swap plus newcomers I'd say we be much closer to being able to handle it though it would still be a chore.

[bnoel210]

Even though I won't be around here in 2014 I also agree with the above statements. I know I didn't show up for the recent swap meet due to money and car problems which cost me more money I didn't have, but I think our goal right now show be putting on a great swap/meet. Maybe we should be discussing this now and get some advertisement out there much earlier then we have in the past. The sooner we can get the word out and organize some good stuff at the swap I think we could start having some really nice turnouts.

[signde]

agree with david

[davidtcb1]

A top priority, if not THE top priority we have discussed is getting the swaps planned, organized and advertised sooner in the future, which will undoubtedly make them more successful. Agreed with you on that Brian. Sorry you could not make it to the swap, hopefully in the spring!

Oct 22, 2012 18:58:07 GMT -6 bnoel210 said:

Even though I won't be around here in 2014 I also agree with the above statements. I know I didn't show up for the recent swap meet due to money and car problems which cost me more money I didn't have, but I think our goal right now show be putting on a great swap/meet. Maybe we should be discussing this now and get some advertisement out there much earlier then we have in the past. The sooner we can get the word out and organize some good stuff at the swap I think we could start having some really nice turnouts.